Tuesday, October 28, 2008

Trying To Understand Batman

This refers specifically to an exchange he had during his skirmish with Catman in Secret Six #2. During the fight, Catman says he has an advantage, he doesn't care whether he lives or dies. Batman's response is 'Then you have no advantage at all.' The sequence caught my eye, as small, likely inconsequential things have a tendency to do.

The first explanation that came to mind is Catman has no advantage there because Batman also doesn't care about his own well-being. But I can't picture Batman being so cavalier with regards to his life*. He puts far too much effort into training and preparation to not care. Plus, he has all these proteges that, for as much as I bust on Batman for being a jerk, he does care about, and he probably would like to be there for them as long as possible. Not that he's afraid of death, but neither is he rushing headlong to embrace it.

Then I considered whether he meant that he cares whether Catman lives or dies, and that somehow offsets Blake's supposed advantage. Which would certainly be true to the character. Batman doesn't want anyone to die, not even the Joker. The problem is, I can't see how that negates Blake's advantage. It suggests Catman could do throw himself in front of a train, and Batman would exert energy to save him, and put himself at risk in the process, both from the train, and from a cheap shot Catman would likely take, since the opportunity is presenting itself and all.

Third possibility relates to a similar sequence from Rurouni Kenshin. Kenshin is squaring off with Aoshi for the second time, having promised Aoshi a rematch if it meant that much to the guy. Aoshi is really going to town on Kenshin, intent on killing him, and makes it pretty clear that all that matters is victory, and his continued existence beyond that is irrelevant. Kenshin, who has been down that road himself, says that he has strength beyond that willingness to throw away one's life, because he wants to live, to continue helping others, and to be with the people he cares about, and that's why he'll win. Because he cares more**.

That sounds pretty good to me. Like I said earlier, Batman doesn't want people to die, and that includes whomever he winds up saving later that night after the little donnybrook with Catman is finished, as well as the night after that, and the night after that, and so on. He has to survive, because people need him, and that makes him stronger than Catman, who is doing his damndest to give off an air of not caring about anyone or anything, beyond trying to prove (to himself) that he isn't intimidated by Batman.

I've got a few other thoughts swirling about right now, related to what this might mean for Catman, but I need a little time to try and put them together. Until tomorrow then.

* By superheroic standards. I would say he's certainly putting himself at greater risk than most of us, but not so much compared to his allies.

** There's also the reason the reader is aware of: That Kenshin will win because he's the title character. It's annoying how he seems to at least partially defeat his foes by chipping away at their reasons for fighting, until they're no longer as certain of themselves. Believing in yourself and what you're fighting for is a big part of that whole series.

4 comments:

Seangreyson said...

I think I'd sort of spin off of your second point (and Kenshin is a pretty good example of it).

I think the point might be simply that if you don't care if you live or die you have accepted death (and therefore defeat) as an option.

Both Batman and Kenshin don't accept even the possibility of defeat. They will win because they have to win, and even if everything seems hopeless they will keep trying to win.

Catman on the other hand doesn't care if he lives or dies. He's careless, and ready to give up. His life just doesn't mean enough to him. Therefore Batman has the advantage.

Weirdly I think this same situation did actually occur in a Kenshin episode (though it's been too long since I watched it for me to remember which one).

SallyP said...

Catman sort of has a death wish going on at the moment, which was brought out rather neatly in the first issue of the Secret Six series. Batman is also trying to mess with his head, as Batman is wont to do, of course. What I really enjoyed about their little sparring session, is that Catman was doing a pretty darned good job of messing with BATMAN'S head...hence the whole "I smell Mexican food" thingie that was going on.

Catman really DOESN'T care whether he lives or dies. But Batman just can't let him get away with that sort of thing, so he has to argue with him. And being Batman, he has to one-UP him...somehow.

CalvinPitt said...

seangreyson: I really like your line of thought. I wonder if it would be different if Catman had added "as long as I win" onto the end of his statement. Because then, death is only acceptable if it brings victory (a Pyrrhic one, to be sure), and that resolve to win might be the equal of Batman's refusal to lose.

What I described from Rurouni Kenshin, the rematch with Aoshi, was shortly before his big fight with Shishio. I think it was in Vol. 15 of the manga, but I don't know what that translates to in the anime. Also, I know it was Kenshin's master that helped him come to that realization several volumes earlier (Vol. 11, perhaps). And Kenshin had made a similar speech to Megumi (the doctor turned opium maker) in Vol. 4 (after his first fight with Aoshi).

sallyp: Hmm, if Catman isn't careful, Deadshot may get annoyed that Blake is cutting in on his "Death wish" territory. Actually, does Deadshot still have that?

SallyP said...

Hard to say exactly what is going on with Deadshot. He seems to be a little more carefree when Gail Simone is writing him. He may not care about his personal safety, but he seems to enjoy what he's doing.