Wednesday, June 09, 2021

A Copy's Not a Copy All the Time

So Krakoa apparently has a rule against resurrecting clones of people. Or, more precisely, having more than one of the same person. Setting aside this only seems to apply mostly to Maddy Pryor, and not the Stepford Cuckoos, it's a little strange.* The argument seems to be something to the effect the clone is just a copy of the original, and it would be a mess to have two of the same person running around (setting aside Madrox and his mutant-power generated duplicates, I guess.)

But they aren't really that sort of clones. As far as I know, Maddy Pryor doesn't have Jean Grey's memories, other than perhaps an unfortunate attraction to Scott Summers. What a horrible thing to inherit. And Jean doesn't have Pryor's memories of being left to raise a child alone, then getting hunted by the Marauders while Scott goes and hangs out with his old school chums and back from the dead ex-girlfriend. Maddy doesn't have Jean's memories of that time Scott telepathically cheated on her with Emma Frost.

Just a reminder Scott Summers is the fucking worst and no one should ever lend that character any moral authority. Ever.

Likewise, Gabby (or Scout/Honey Badger) doesn't have Laura's memories of having her mother around in that facility, or of being exposed to a trigger scent to send her into a murderous fury. And Laura doesn't have Gabby's memories of being raised in a different facility with a bunch of other clones of Laura of varying appearances and ages. They're clones in the way a pair of 10-year old identical twins are clones. The genetics match, but the life experiences don't.

A clone I could see the argument holding water for, up to a point, would be Ben Reilly, the Spider-Clone. Because he really did have all Peter Parker's memories up to the moment the DNA that he was created from was taken. Which was always one of the things I found interesting about him. He had all of Parker's memories, his likes and dislikes, his morality, but none of it was really his. He couldn't be Peter Parker, go to college, get yelled at by Jonah, kiss Mary Jane, because there already was a Peter Parker doing all those things.

Given Miles Warren initiated the whole original Clone Saga out of some twisted love for Gwen Stacy and anger at Parker, it's pretty cruel to create a clone who never actually met Gwen Stacy, but vividly remembers dating and being in love with her, remembers the grief of her death like it happened to him. Reilly's actually kind of a reverse of Carol Danvers. Where Danvers eventually got back all the memories Rogue took, she had no connection to them. They may as well happened to someone else. Reilly has all the emotional connection to people and events, but never actually did any of that stuff.

And even then, Ben Reilly isn't merely a copy of Peter Parker. From the moment he stepped out of the tube or whatever Warren created him in, he started forming his own, separate existence. Peter Parker never spent years traveling the globe, teaching at different colleges under a false name and faked credentials. Parker never got hunted relentlessly by Kaine. And Ben Reilly never got killed by Kraven and stuffed in a grave for two weeks.

The closest comparison to that in the X-verse would seem to be Sinister's old Marauders. Where, other than I guess Sabretooth, Sinister just had a bunch of copies of Scalphunter and Arclight and those other losers sitting around in case one of them got killed or pissed him off. I never got the impression the Marauders knew that about themselves, so presumably each one had the exact same memories as all the other copies.

I don't know if there's some point about how often clones in X-related stuff don't have the original's memories, versus other parts of the Marvel Universe. Cloning is X-books is more of a long-term, wide ranging scheme, and takes a more impersonal touch? It really just seems like an odd, arbitrary limitation on Krakoa. Maybe if the issue was exceeding carrying capacity of the island. I assume even with Krakoa being sentient and the mutants all being such superior geniuses to those dumb old humans that there must be limits to how many people the island can support. But I haven't heard anything about scarcity issues yet. It can't be a concern about duplicate codenames/mutant names. They aren't stopping Laura from also calling herself "Wolverine", after all.

* And yeah, it's obvious that Maddy not being resurrected is a cronyism thing. Scott and Jean would be uncomfortable seeing Scott's first wife, who he abandoned, walking around all the time, so Havok's request got denied. Same as Mystique's request for Destiny to be resurrected. It would inconvenience people in power, so it doesn't happen. The whole spiel that she committed crimes against humans and mutants is also bullshit considering the presence of, well where do you start? Magneto? Apocalypse, Mystique, Wolverine, Mr. Sinister, Daken, Exodus, Rogue? Emma Frost and Sebastian Shaw were both in the Hellfire Club. No way their hands are clean. Quentin Quire's almost certainly gotten up to some shit.

2 comments:

thekelvingreen said...

Reed Richards is obnoxious, but at least you can joke about how much of an asshat he is. You can't even do that much with Cyclops. He's Marvel's Hal Jordan.

CalvinPitt said...

Ha! That's great.

I was going to ask if that makes Reed Guy Gardner, but Guy actually gets comeuppance, so it doesn't track.